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snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
007 VXR said:
Bonnie and Clyde said:
Dont worry Mark, we dont need to know. Thats what we pay Monkfish for winkhehe
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rofl
How funny that reply was biggrinbiggrin made me chuckle a lot biggrin


snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
L2VXR said:
I was under the impression that the grooves were for letting hot gasses out under braking and to minimize the pads glazing not to cool the disc,cooling is done via the vents between the disc face's
Your right, but the vents in the discs on one side are going the wrong way, they are actually pushing the air away from the disc and not into it.


007 VXR
15579 posts
24 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
L2VXR said:
007 VXR said:
L2VXR said:
,cooling is done via the vents between the disc face's
thats the scratchchin bit they face the wrong way on the left ones ??
I dont mean the pattern on the disc face i mean the holes that are between the two sides of the disc like in the pic below


I was told buy a brake disc manufacturer that it didnt matter which way round the grooves went when i ask about some that i fitted to another car
yep thats it ..


Tattooboy
1457 posts
15 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
The grooves on mine are the same way as you show snowwolf, the drivers side seems correct and the passenger sade seems incorrect, however, I don't think this makes any difference altho someone will prob argue otherwise, I'm sure if there was a major issue, Mr Monkfish would have said something to us all by now biggrin


snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
snowwolf said:
L2VXR said:
I was under the impression that the grooves were for letting hot gasses out under braking and to minimize the pads glazing not to cool the disc,cooling is done via the vents between the disc face's
Your right, but the vents in the discs on one side are going the wrong way, they are actually pushing the air away from the disc and not into it.
The next time you get home from a normal drive with no hard braking or you will burn your fingers! you should be able a noticable difference just with the touch of your finger on the disc surface, one side will be hotter than the other.


boggie
207 posts
59 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
My old VXR were the same on both sides. The APs are handed.

snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
boggie said:
My old VXR were the same on both sides. The APs are handed.
AP's are far better brakes, and yes they are handed, the discs shown in the pic a thread or two up, I dont think matter what way they go because the fins in the middle of the disc are not curved.


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Tattooboy
1457 posts
15 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
snowwolf said:
boggie said:
My old VXR were the same on both sides. The APs are handed.
AP's are far better brakes, and yes they are handed, the discs shown in the pic a thread or two up, I dont think matter what way they go because the fins in the middle of the disc are not curved.
AP's are far better brakes if you use them enough, if not, big pain in butt !




boggie
207 posts
59 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
Tattooboy said:
snowwolf said:
boggie said:
My old VXR were the same on both sides. The APs are handed.


AP's are far better brakes, and yes they are handed, the discs shown in the pic a thread or two up, I dont think matter what way they go because the fins in the middle of the disc are not curved.


AP's are far better brakes if you use them enough, if not, big pain in butt !



Hi TB,

How's your shouty car going? Wish I had the balls to straight pipe mine but my neighbours would lynch me and put me in the stocks by the village pond as an example.

In what way are the APs a pain? I have them, as does a colleague (Twoblackhats). He has had no problem with his but I have the wobbles with mine. However I really USE mine and they get rather hot but have always performed well (apart from the wobbles), much better than the frankly scary VXR anchors that were fitted when I got the car. With so much power on tap and a juvenile right foot, I need better braking than GM could offer. Must admit to being disappointed with the APs wobbling.

B

Tattooboy
1457 posts
15 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
boggie said:
Tattooboy said:
snowwolf said:
boggie said:
My old VXR were the same on both sides. The APs are handed.
AP's are far better brakes, and yes they are handed, the discs shown in the pic a thread or two up, I dont think matter what way they go because the fins in the middle of the disc are not curved.
AP's are far better brakes if you use them enough, if not, big pain in butt !
Hi TB,

How's your shouty car going? Wish I had the balls to straight pipe mine but my neighbours would lynch me and put me in the stocks by the village pond as an example.

In what way are the APs a pain? I have them, as does a colleague (Twoblackhats). He has had no problem with his but I have the wobbles with mine. However I really USE mine and they get rather hot but have always performed well (apart from the wobbles), much better than the frankly scary VXR anchors that were fitted when I got the car. With so much power on tap and a juvenile right foot, I need better braking than GM could offer. Must admit to being disappointed with the APs wobbling.

B
For the exact reason you have just stated, if you don't use AP's enough they suffer the same, if not worse, build up of rust as the standard VXR discs and you get the wobbles back. I agree that the VXR brakes aren't the best but with the harder friction pads, a lot better. Have not put the VXR brakes to a real test yet but have had to hit them pretty hard and the car slowed quick enough for me.


007 VXR
15579 posts
24 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear


Bonnie and Clyde
9611 posts
29 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
007 VXR said:
L2VXR said:
007 VXR said:
L2VXR said:
,cooling is done via the vents between the disc face's


thats the scratchchin bit they face the wrong way on the left ones ??


I dont mean the pattern on the disc face i mean the holes that are between the two sides of the disc like in the pic below
[url]|http://thumbsnap.com/MLbFWbZ2[/url]

I was told buy a brake disc manufacturer that it didnt matter which way round the grooves went when i ask about some that i fitted to another car

yep thats it ..
Isn't that a tax disc holder

Wolfracer
1868 posts
43 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
007 VXR said:
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear

AP's probably not, friction pads, yes. Remember AP's are a racing(type) pad and like to be warm and wearing to be at their most effective.
At the least, you will be wearing off wheel wobbling rust all the time....

snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
007 VXR said:
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear
Mark, you must have found the VXR brakes perfectly ok or you would have changed them long before now, your brakes must be a perfect set up and run in well.

You have to consider if you will get out of your brakes the amount of money put in to change them, if your brakes are good I would be worried that I would be changing them for a lot more hassle.

I have read on here that people have changed their brakes to AP's and have problems, I know I could be doing myself out of a nice set of braking gear, but would not want you changing them and find they are more hassle for what you use them for.


Tattooboy
1457 posts
15 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
007 VXR said:
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear
I'd stick with what you have mate !


snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
Tattooboy said:
007 VXR said:
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear
I'd stick with what you have mate !
Me too Mark .... frown


007 VXR
15579 posts
24 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
snowwolf said:
007 VXR said:
your starting to get me worryed about getting AP's yikes
as i only do 5/7k ayear
Mark, you must have found the VXR brakes perfectly ok or you would have changed them long before now, your brakes must be a perfect set up and run in well.

You have to consider if you will get out of your brakes the amount of money put in to change them, if your brakes are good I would be worried that I would be changing them for a lot more hassle.

I have read on here that people have changed their brakes to AP's and have problems, I know I could be doing myself out of a nice set of braking gear, but would not want you changing them and find they are more hassle for what you use them for.
true . this has crossed my mind, but by the spring power will be up to 540rwhp. I dont use the brakes hard at all but , need more stopping power for TR and that one time i just need to stop very fast
my brakes have been great for juast normal braking over 3 1/2 years
which is why i have left it till now ..
only done 16k miles on them, with no issues smile



snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
Tattooboy said:
The grooves on mine are the same way as you show snowwolf, the drivers side seems correct and the passenger sade seems incorrect, however, I don't think this makes any difference altho someone will prob argue otherwise, I'm sure if there was a major issue, Mr Monkfish would have said something to us all by now biggrin
Roger does know about it, when I was fitting mine and noticed the problem, he knew that they were not handed.


snowwolf
2743 posts
12 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
Just make sure when you need to check pad depth, that you should always check the passenger side ones for the worst wear, because they will wear quicker than the drivers side.


stevieturbo
5256 posts
84 months
 Friday 30th July  Reply with quote
snowwolf said:
It seems strange that the discs fitted to our cars are 50% running the correct way.
Grooves are irrelevant, and mostly cosmetic as to how they look.


Ive had AP racing discs with the grooves machined both directions for any given rotation.
All that matters on some discs, is if the venting vanes are curved, these MUST rotate the correct direction. If they have straight vanes, then it doesnt matter at all.


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